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  ARC Analysis Summary of Case Files

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have been doing research on the arc as some people on here have suggested.

  i find it interesting on the case file analysis some of the findings.

  it looks like queensland and new south wales had the biggest problems with this.

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  problemaddict 2

  Steve nailed it. JW's have been behind on this issue. Not exactly "sole channel" material.
  
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  ARC Analysis Summary of Case Files

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have been doing research on the arc as some people on here have suggested.

  i find it interesting on the case file analysis some of the findings.

  it looks like queensland and new south wales had the biggest problems with this.

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  Richard I like others are confused about your point exactly. Do you feel it is somehow less terrible when you look at the breakdown the WT society gave the ARC? Do you feel considering their past that those numbers are given in the spirit of transparency and integrity?

  The issue isn't the numbers. Its never been the numbers. This is a societal problem, and we don't expect ANY religion of community to be immune. the issue is that the branches worldwide have avoided telling their communities, and specifically law enforcement for their communities, because in their mind it would make them look bad. If they simply called the police, reported it, and took steps to protect those whom are always the most vulnerable members of our society, we wouldn't be able to say anything.

  Nobody thinks its the GB's fault that there is some sick elder, servant, publisher, or whatever who wants to touch kids. It IS however their fault for somehow thinking the privacy of this matter outweighs their responsibility to be good members of their community, and protectors of children in their midst. Their record on this is clear, and no matter how you break up the numbers in australia, the only one that matters is ZERO.

  Zero is the amount of times they reported abuse.
  
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  Rank & File Reaction to Leah Remini Series

  by freemindfade in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  wife and i have watched the whole series and just finished episode 7 last night.

  personally, i am seeing a great deal more subtle and day to day similarities to watchtower than the obvious ones i already knew existed, ie shunning.

  very eye opening and heartbreaking, even more so than going clear in my mind.

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  The book Going Clear (on which the documentary is based) is fantastic for understanding the history of Scientology. I would most certainly say it is more loopy than JW's, but on a long enough scale, you really wouldn't be able to tell how far apart the two are.

  Arguing over who is worse makes no sense. People lose family, opportunity, and dignity in spades in both scenarios.

  I have enjoyed watching some of it, although i find it a bit repetitive. How many times can we see cars and private investigators following you. We get it. They are litigious.
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  The spirit that guides JW org

  by anointed1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we can draw a parallel: the democrats lost the us presidential election, and they started blaming everyone else (including foreign powers) except themselves.

  they forgot the reason for their own victory before—it was the direct and proportionate result of the poor performance of the then ruling party.

  and now after 8 years of mess, people voted for a change.

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  You seem as delutional as one that actually believes themselves to be annointed. Your entire premis starts with a fallicy.

  So what parallel are you trying to draw here? It is entirely unclear.
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  If the WT is a "money making machine"...who gets the money?

  by NikL in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've seen claims over the years that wt is in the real estate, book publishing business and is a for profit enterprise at it's core.. can those of you that believe this to be the case tell me who benefits from all this wealth?.

  the governing body lives in relatively humble conditions no?.

  i've been curious about this for a while.

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  OC,

  Thats not what I hear!
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  If the WT is a "money making machine"...who gets the money?

  by NikL in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've seen claims over the years that wt is in the real estate, book publishing business and is a for profit enterprise at it's core.. can those of you that believe this to be the case tell me who benefits from all this wealth?.

  the governing body lives in relatively humble conditions no?.

  i've been curious about this for a while.

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  Nik,

  There may not be a smoking gun here. There is probably not a mansion in the Hamptons, or a bently garage under Warwick. I think besides kind of having every need met all the time and being treated like Gods while flown around the world.....the GB live a fairly simple existance in a nice apt in a building the fund they manage built.

  They do however, hoarde large sums of cash. Its notable what the money is NOT spent on as well. Orphan cows research is some of the best on this board, and you will see when monwy is changing hands there always seems to be a winner. Its not perhaps as nepharious as the millionaire megachurch set......bit its not exactly squeaky clean either.
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  Real Estate Business?

  by no-zombie in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i was going over some of the older posts of others and without starting some kind of flame war, i got no idea why people are saying that the society is some kind of real estate business.

  of course its making millions of dollars in its real estate sales but this a one time event.

  its down sizing by selling the furniture.

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  NZ,

  I am one that generally shares the viewpoint that when being critical of JWs we arent held to the same standard as any other human being in their way of communicating. If even just one word in our statement seems off, a JW is going to latch on to that, and use it to discredit everything else that was said.

  So now lets discuss the semantics. WT is in the business of false hope and religion at the cost of normal social constructs and freedom of thought. They also happen to ENGAGE in business in real estate.

  To put this in context, they just netted close to a billion tax free dollars from the sell off in new york, and who knows how much from other smaller consolidations (with more to come). I happened to meet with a large real estate fund manager who ran a company doing consulting and building on anything from high rises, apts, and hotels, to single family homes. His fund was about 100 million, including gobbling up some smaller companies along the way.

  WT has completed some of the largest real estate transactions seen over the last few years. Their assets are quite extensive. That puts them in the real estate business. Maybe it is just a,side hustle.......but its definitly real.
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  Scientology special on A&E tonight with Leah Remini

  by nonjwspouse in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  i'm not sure where it is airing elsewhere, but on the a&e channel, at 7p then again at 10p est tonight, leah remini is doing a scientology special.

  it looks to be a great show.

  i am not sure if it is one time, or the beginnings of a series.

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  Its a mini-series on scientology.
  
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  2 elders just came to my door. I smiled and told them no.

  by schnell in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  not playing their game, as i've learned here.

  they came to my door to find me with a full beard and a nightmare before christmas hoody, playing a video game where the characters "do not act according to bible principles", and i happily answered the door.

  i simply smiled and told them no when they asked if i have a minute.

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  Well hey at least they were cool and didn't try to guilt you or anything. Call us if you need some encouragement........that is about as easy as you can get it. Good job!
  
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  So getting disfellowshipped sounds kind of great.

  by schnell in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i grew up in this religion, i was baptized at 14, married at 27, and now i'm 31. i'm also evolutionist and atheist.

  i wanted this to be the truth.

  i spent years as an apologist trying to reconcile everything.

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  Welcome Schnell.

  Plus I don't want you to underestimate the powerful feeling you get when you simply tell the guys not to come to your house. You are not used to saying no (politely), and they sure aren't used to hearing it. I remember the brothers asking to come by, andI said no thanks guys.....hows the build over on __ street? Yeah? Great to hear...ok guys I need to get back to work, so say hi to the wives and hope you guys are good. *click